Here is an excerpt from
'The Great Debate' between Greg Bahnsen and Gordon Stein written in "
Pushing the Antithesis."
Bahnsen: Are all factual questions answered in the same way?
Stein: No, they are not. They're answered by the use of certain methods, though, tat are the same--reason, logic, presenting evidence, and facts.
Bahnsen: All right. I heard you mention logical binds and logical self-contradictions in your speech. You did say that?
Stein: I said. I used that phrase, yes.
Bahnsen: Do you believe there are laws of logic, then?
Stein: Absolutely.
Bahnsen: Are they universal?
Stein: They're agreed upon by human beings. They aren't laws that exist out in nature. They're consensual.
Bahnsen: Are they simply conventions, then?
Stein: They are conventions, but they are conventions that are self-verifying.
Bahnsen: Are they sociological laws or laws of thought?
Stein: They are laws of thought which are interpreted by men and promulgated by men.
Bahnsen: Are they material in nature?
Stein: How can a law be material in nature?
Bahnsen: That's a question I am going to ask you.
Stein: I would say no.
Moderator: Dr. Stein, you now have an opportunity to cross-examine Dr. Bahnsen.
Stein: Dr. Bahnsen, would you call God material or immaterial?
Bahnsen: Immaterial.
Stein: What is something that is immaterial?
Bahnsen: Something not extended in space.
Stein: Can you give me an example of anything other than God that is immaterial?
Bahnsen: The laws of logic.
Moderator: I am going to have to ask the audience to hold it down please. Please. Refrain from laughter and applause. Can you hold that down please?